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FreeUSHGA
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 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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"When I said you should step down, it was not because I had evaluated your position and found it wanting, but because I found the correspondence impossible to wade through."
Well I guess that settles it then.. |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: |
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This thread attempts to deal with the resistance to fair ideas and procedures as they pertain to how the USHPA Corporation deals with it's membership and volunteers.
The first post highlights the disconnect that is taking place in the thought process of many members. Understanding our own psychology would be very helpful.
There are smarter people here than myself and maybe someone would like to comment on the "disconnect" phenomena revealed in the statement above. IE: Too many words.. I don't want to hear.. I've made up my mind... |
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Windlord
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
"When I said you should step down, it was not because I had evaluated your position and found it wanting, but because I found the correspondence impossible to wade through."
Well I guess that settles it then.. |
"Free"-
Was this correspondence that was sent to you? and by whom?  |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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| Windlord wrote: |
| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
"When I said you should step down, it was not because I had evaluated your position and found it wanting, but because I found the correspondence impossible to wade through."
Well I guess that settles it then.. |
"Free"-
Was this correspondence that was sent to you? and by whom? |
It was on an an Oz Report thread. It was directed at Bob.
I posted it to demonstrate a reflexive response factor within us that I don't truly understand.
'Too many words, I don't want to hear, I've made up my mind'.
We all use the disconnect on issues we don't want to deal with.
Hang gliding is escapism.
Ideas and issues interfere with the delusion that we are free.
Attack, discard the messenger and our dreams soar again.
Unpleasant words are rejected. We've made up our minds.. |
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Windlord
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
| Windlord wrote: |
| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
"When I said you should step down, it was not because I had evaluated your position and found it wanting, but because I found the correspondence impossible to wade through."
Well I guess that settles it then.. |
"Free"-
Was this correspondence that was sent to you? and by whom? |
It was on an an Oz Report thread. It was directed at Bob.
I posted it to demonstrate a reflexive response factor within us that I don't truly understand.
'Too many words, I don't want to hear, I've made up my mind'.
We all use the disconnect on issues we don't want to deal with.
Hang gliding is escapism.
Ideas and issues interfere with the delusion that we are free.
Attack, discard the messenger and our dreams soar again.
Unpleasant words are rejected. We've made up our minds.. |
Ohhhh, OK!
Along the same line as "out of sight, out of mind."
"If I ignore it long enough, it will disappear."
That's what I'm getting from it.
It sounds like the self-preservation mode in the primal portion of the human
brain. Preseve one self and worry about others later. |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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| Windlord wrote: |
It sounds like the self-preservation mode in the primal portion of the human
brain. Preseve one self and worry about others later. |
Well there is that, I guess, at the heart of every decision if extrapolated out to the extreme but I was more commenting on the 'flipping of the switch,' in shunting concepts out of equations where decisions have consequences.
Stifling issues without fully examining them because of this shunting disconnect effect, (that probably is related to survival instinct,) isn't right.
Opinions and actions without background is a flawed system.
No way to run a railroad. |
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bobk
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Wading Through.. Disconnect.. |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
"When I said you should step down, it was not because I had evaluated your position and found it wanting, but because I found the correspondence impossible to wade through."
Well I guess that settles it then.. |
Great comment. Thanks!!
But it was a little hard to figure out what you meant without a reference. Here's the URL to the original quote on the Oz Report:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18874#81540
The topic number (t=18874) was pretty easy to find since that's what shows up when you're viewing the post. But the reference number to the post (#81540) took a little digging. I ended up using "View Source" in my browser and then searching the HTML for part of the quote. Then I looked upward to where it gave that post an anchor name ( <a name="81540"> ). That's what I ended up tacking on after the pound sign (#) to get the full reference.
I hope that helps!! |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Sorry my intended sarcasm wasn't all that clear. I should explain myself better.
Most the time I feel like I'm only talking to myself anyway and I understand myself fairly well. 
The quote was P. Cheney, and it boiled down an issue within ourselves that deserves introspection. The 'disconnect' is what I'm exploring. It probably is related to a survival instinct at some level. We all tune out things we don't want to deal with. Priorities of self interest would be one way to look at it?
At base, people are a selfish lot. Until our own ox gets gored we don't have much interest in others' problems. That has to change soon because everyones' ox is being gored on a global scale. We didn't care and don't care that brown people are being killed, poisoned and mistreated across the globe because it doesn't affect us and now we are being killed, poisoned and mistreated here. What goes around comes around. Karma is a real b**** and hell is about to rain down on our selfish little lives. It's time to take the blinders off and stop lying to ourselves that things are as they should be. When one person is cheated of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, all of us are cheated. If we are not fair to all we are robbing from ourselves.
Torrey Pines is one issue that represents many others.
I totally support Bob in his struggles in bringing fairness and accountability to that region because those issues belong to all of us. I commend and admire Bob, for having the fortitude to stand against the fury of greed and the almighty dollar that propels the corporate beast in all matters. I personally don't know anyone in the pilot community that comes even close to adhering to such an honest interpretation of vision and cause, as Bob. It is truly a breath of fresh air and an inspiration to see true leadership standing against the flow of a corrupted system and I salute that from the bottom of my heart.
We've all come a long way to get to where we are.
Reality check is that our journey has just begun.
It's time for people to choose what side of history they will be remembered.
Warren |
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
| It is truly a breath of fresh air and an inspiration to see true leadership standing against the flow of a corrupted system and I salute that from the bottom of my heart. |
And I with ALL my heart.
Nice post Warren! |
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bobk
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: Standing Together |
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Warren and Mark,
Thanks very much. I hope you don't mind me posting your comments (with a link back to your original post) at the following forums:
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=168585#168585
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18811
As I said on those forums, I am truly honored to be standing beside men like you. Sometimes you see things and say things that are not easily comprehended by others. But you stand on solid principles, and I would like history to remember that have I stood with men like you.
Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski |
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Standing Together |
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| bobk wrote: |
| I hope you don't mind me posting your commentsi |
No, I don't mind.
If I say something really stupid I can always say I'm sorry, RIGHT?
I'd rather say something stupid than do something stupid.
Mark Webber (1954- ) |
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