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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject: Mark Forbes Dirty Dances with Davis Reply with quote #1   
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: USHPA Toadie's Desperate Flailings Flounder in Failure Reply with quote #2   
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Maybe Mark should have made a $500 call
I've got this funny feeling that things are going to get more interesting, not less interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: A Crime of Yellow Journalism Reply with quote #3   
A Crime of Yellow Journalism
is opportunity for the yellow
to take an edge, debate
a big one took the bait

I wonder if Mark G. Forbes was drinking when he posted his little contribution?


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Bob Kuczewski wrote:

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: Free Fire Zone on the Oz Report #129
Now that I'm banned from the Oz Report, it seems that Mark Forbes is finally posting some "answers" over there. I guess it's safer to distort the truth about someone when they're not allowed to reply.

Davis has turned the Oz Report into a "free fire zone" for attacking me, and Mark Forbes is more than happy to jump in (along with Robin Marien and his Torrey PG crowd) by posting his attacks there rather than having the guts to post them here where I could respond.

It was bad enough when Davis was chopping up topics and moving my posts, but by barring me from replying to Mark Forbes, Davis has turned the Oz Report into USHPA's own propaganda publication.

"Journalism"? Ha, ha, ha.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #4   
Dirty tricks of another good ol' boys club, in Oregon.


"How amazing it was for Grants Pass, Oregon, to have elected four city council members who ran on the platform of keeping government small and accountable to the people - and they started to do it. They started digging into all aspects of the city's administration to get to the bottom of what has really been going on for years - the taking from the people and passing it to corporate interests. It didn't take long for the big machine to realize these councilors weren't afraid to deliver to the people what they promised, so what can be described as only the "good ol' boy club" sprang into action and successfully ousted a council that did indeed have its public's best interest at heart. It was a sad day, indeed, for the Southern Oregon city, and truly telling of what is going on all around our country."

Read all about it. Secrecy, sandbagging, lies and a sleazy media attack from the local newspaper. The similarities are downright uncanny. It's like they all are using the same play book or somethin... http://newswithviews.com/Walter/paul102.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
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Dirty tricks of another good ol' boys club, in Oregon.
Nce catch Warren, a little bit more today.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Conrad/bernie100.htm
I like this part
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Before the "outlaw" councilors were recalled, they had approved a "performance review." This is an efficiency study where you bring in outside, uninvolved efficiency experts to make a study and an evaluation on your operating effectiveness. This has mysteriously disappeared from the budget without due process - in other words illegally. Not one of the temporary councilors has a comment.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
This is funny.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19037
Jacmac wrote:
In my opinion, Bob has burned the bridge from both ends, counted the chickens before they hatched, and thrown the baby out with the bath water. He's still a RD and despite the perceived threat he should have been able to listen in on a meeting. If he causes a disruption, then he could have been thrown out or cut off for blatently violating the rules of the meeting. Instead, you guys gave him more ammunition to shoot at you with.

I feel like I'm watching a weird remake of The Good, Bad, and the Ugly. The stand-off continues…
At least he can see that the PR flack is just that AND it still does not change the rules.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Grants Pass Oregon Shennanigans Reply with quote #7   
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FreeUSHGA wrote:
Dirty tricks of another good ol' boys club, in Oregon.
Nce catch Warren, a little bit more today.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Conrad/bernie100.htm
I like this part
<snip>
Before the "outlaw" councilors were recalled, they had approved a "performance review." This is an efficiency study where you bring in outside, uninvolved efficiency experts to make a study and an evaluation on your operating effectiveness. This has mysteriously disappeared from the budget without due process - in other words illegally. Not one of the temporary councilors has a comment.
<snip>


Thanks Mark,
The fight in Oregon is the same fight being played out at USHPA. A bunch of insiders are controlled by a self serving lawyer that runs the show.
The whole borg hides behind the paranoid self serving lawyer, Herr.
'The lawyer made us bar you. We are just pawns of the lawyer.'

The lawyer will do anything to keep anyone from examining the books, the inner workings of the non profic corporation that he feeds from.

If honest and honorable member representatives are elected that are not rubber stampers for the borg then all hell breaks out.
A sleazy Bevis media attacks the good guys and the corrupted system continues in having their way with the citizenry.

Well it has to stop and it has to stop now.
Tthe way it is being fought in Grants Pass is the way to fight the corporate borg at USHPA.

Citizens, members have to stand up, speak up, publish and otherwise decry and denounce the wrong doers for what they are doing.

A bright light of exposure is great medicine for what ails a system of secrecy, cover-up and dirty tricks. Citizens with an internet are the new media. The reason that newspapers are dying is because they have become arms of a corrupt system. Fascism is appropriate terminology to use to describe the unholy relationship that modern mainstream media has now become. This is the time. Reverse it now or forever surrender to the lies that enslave us.
Apathy only makes it worse.

The elite have no compassion or empathy. They believe if we are dumb enough to buy the lies that they spin, then we deserve what befalls us.
Davis is the Grants Pass paper. Davis has no empathy for anyone that isn't Davis. Straub should be sanctioned for the dirty yellow journalism he produces for the borg. Any paid up pilot could levy the charges through his Regional Director.
Yellow journalism has to go!

More Bernie Conrad, citizen activist journalism is what is needed if the American people ever expect to be free

Hooray for Bernie Conrad, Bill Kangas and for our own Bob Kuczewski.
It's not easy to do what they are doing. They need to be strongly supported by all.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Conrad/bernie100.htm
Bernie Conrad was born in San Diego, CA, 1944. Attended College at University of California Santa Barbara and Art Center College of Design, Los Angeles. Served in US Army Reserves 1965 -1971. Has worked primarily at building renovation and property improvement. Has worked extensively and tutored privately in art and woodcarving.

My purpose in writing is not political or religious. I feel the time has come to enlist in the war between right and wrong. I do not claim a background of specialization other than a love of my family, my fellow man and the American pursuit of happiness. There has been an unquestionable downturn in the character and quality of life within my country - within my lifetime. I see numerous causes for this phenomenon. These causes I identify as the enemy. To speak out against them is to fight for my country. I have gotten too old for the sword so I shall take up the pen. It is a privilege to live in a country where I may do this. It is a shame to see our own citizens unaware of this blessing.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Grants Pass Oregon Shennanigans Reply with quote #8   
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The lawyer will do anything to keep anyone from examining the books, the inner workings of the non profic corporation that he feeds from.
That's what makes me think that there has ALREADY been a transgression of the criminal type.
Secret meetings, secret votes, absolutely everybody against accountability (Bob at the last meeting), recall started before inaugural day, Davis showing up in the Borg's coat pocket?????

An old policeman's trick.....follow the money, find the criminal.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Mark Forbes hiding behind the lawyers' skirt Reply with quote #9   
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Secret meetings, secret votes, absolutely everybody against accountability (Bob at the last meeting), recall started before inaugural day, Davis showing up in the Borg's coat pocket?????

An old policeman's trick.....follow the money, find the criminal.



The lawyer that has been there too long has exposed that there is something to hide by the childish "prudent paranoia" defense.

"we are so stupid that we can't conduct a business meeting for a non profit organization of pilots without fear that litigation will result because of something we may be held accountable for"

They are telegraphing their incompetence or corruption, one or the other.

What other reason, Mark G. Forbes?

Tell us the real reason why you aren't able to do the pilot's business if someone is looking over your shoulder that isn't a 'yes' man?

Mark Forbes won't answer. I would be very surprized to see it.

Surprize us all Mark Forbes.
Tell us why you are so afraid of Bob Kuczewski, and the openness, accountability and honesty that he represents to the membership.
Tell us why you represent the opposite, Mark Forbes?
Why are you so invested in secrecy and dishonesty in order to keep the membership out of the workings of their own organization?

Answer what you will, Mark G. Forbes, while I let my typing finger cool off and I get myself a lukewarm drink of water..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: USHPA Toadie's Desperate Flailings Flounder in Failure Reply with quote #10   
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I've got this funny feeling that things are going to get more interesting, not less interesting.
I told you so!
This little gem is "priceless".
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19142&sid=3169d7f59964ea312c1fdb7630e04033
michaelb51 wrote:
I don't see a copyright notice, either in the output or when viewing the source. There is one on the forum pages, so I'm assuming they are also copyrighting my words there whenever I post. Joke's on them, I stole almost all those words from the Oxford-American Dictionary.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: USHPA Toadie's Desperate Flailings Flounder in Failure Reply with quote #11   
wild_high_mark wrote:
I've got this funny feeling that things are going to get more interesting, not less interesting.

Jim Rooney wrote:

Excuse me, but Pot.. please meet Kettle.
Argumentative my ass.
Jim

michaelb51 wrote:
It's regrettable Jack and Dennis inflated and followed their expectations to the scene of that crash, and on behalf of the visible Universe, I'd like to publicly offer my most sincere apologies.

But to paraphrase Ben Franklin, "Taking out, while discouraging others from putting in, soon comes to an end."

Enough, already.

michaelb51 wrote:
But as Chairman Mao was rumored to have said to Alexander Haig regarding the French Revolution, it may actually be "Too early to tell." The challenge of being constructive, it seems to me rests equally with the critic and their object. Valid criticism is seldom defeated by silence. That too is just my opinion, and I think at least in part is in agreement with the quote above.

To invoke and mangle KnumbKnuts analogy, you can only stare at a naked Emperor for a short time before I start to think the interest may transcend fashion, or news. And our Emperors have to stand elections and/or job reviews.

Defense rests, and listens.

Knumbknuts wrote:
Ok,

Peaceful, non-argumentative, first piece of darkened cookware on the stovetop, to whom all shall yield because he was there first and will urinate upon himself at first sign of dissent, will you please answer one question:

Do you think it was right or wrong (bugger the law) for USHPA to take the HTML code, given their history with its writer? No matter how tiny the offense, do the scales of justice tip a millimeter toward the duck or the witch?

I propose that "it didn't matter" is not an acceptable choice, since it clearly angered a guy who is much more level-headed than you or I. Forgive me if you already answered… our bombastic rants have skewed my reading comprehension.

Don't touch that dial!!! roflcat
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
Re: USHPA accused of serious ethical breach Wed, Mar 3 2010, 7:06:26 pm

From: "Dennis Cavagnaro" <dcavagnaro
"A tidbit that gets lost in the tale of the lead generation story is that Lisa asked us to get an attorney that knew what they were talking about in regards to non-profits and internet law because Herr was dead set against the program claiming it was in violation of some law. I was present during that phone call and didn't get the impression he had put a ton of hours into researching the issues and just threw out a pail of cold water and the process. I believe Lisa actually paid the attorney fees on that. I know I did not."

Steve Roti:
"Dennis brings up a good point about the outside attorney who was hired to advise the association on what a non-profit can do and what it can't do regarding lead generation. A non-profit organization like USHPA lives under different laws and rules than hanggliding.org or the Oz Report. The attorney gave the association specific guidelines, in writing, and those guidelines are ultimately what led to the breakup of USHPA and hanggliding.org when Jack was unwilling or unable to abide by them. Again, Jack does a lot of good things for the sport of hang gliding and this isn't said to disparage him, it's just that Jack's way of doing things didn't fit into USHPA's legal guidelines."



The lawyer objected because it crossed legal and ethical lines of non profits wheras it is quite legal,
as opposed to ethical or moral, in commercial law.

How refreshing...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
I now doubt that the lawyer's objections had anything to do with any ethical issues against google stalking for membership. It was more of a power play to who would be cashing the dirty data mining revenue checks.

You guys did know that all of these 'social networking' sites are just big data mining operations for the looming prison planet control grid, right? They don't call them labs for nothing. They own all your writings. Your keystrokes are saved forever in a big ol' cyber cloud. The government uses the data to read the mental state of the populace. They get instant feedback on all their propaganda.

Davis Straub makes money when you click on those soft porno pics he puts on every page of his forum. Dennis Cavagnaro, the "marketing expert" just recently suggested that the porno pics be put on the .org site. More revenue and more psychological profiles for big brother.

The internet should be better than this..
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
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The internet should be better than this..
I just installed an ad-blocker on the Firefox browser. When I went to get weather at usairnet, this pop up.
Quote:
Support the Economic Recovery: Uninstall your Ad Block software.

Important: You Are Using Ad Block Plus! Please don't, our site operates on ad revenue. We have over $300 a month in bills just to keep this site operable. Without advertisements this page may be forced to go to paid subscriptions or shut down completely.

WARNING: TRYING TO BLOCK THIS SCRIPT WILL RESULT IN THE BANNING OF YOUR IP. THINK BEFORE ATTEMPTING...
I like that fact that the economic recovery is all about HIM and not about ME. ROFL
And what about Ad Block Plus? Don't they deserve to be in business? They seem to know what I want!
I am probably the only person to un-block his site long enough to tell him I found some other weather at:
http://aviationweather.gov/

THEN I put the ad-blocker back on!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Legal attacks and roadblocks from lawyers Reply with quote #15   
Legal attacks and roadblocks from lawyers in Arizona school district

http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/article/4506

Excerpt:
A handful of taxpayers in a small community north of Wickenburg, Arizona are being targeted by the local school district in a lawsuit that asks a judge to declare they have no right to request public records, sue the district, or complain to outside agencies.

The Congress Elementary School District claims that past efforts by these residents to obtain documents such as minutes of board meetings and spending reports amount to harassment that should not have to be tolerated.

But Jean Warren, one of the four defendants named in the lawsuit filed January 28, 2010, said the complaint is an illegal attempt to silence citizens who have questioned the district’s policies and spending practices.
“The whole thing is based on trying to shut us down so that nobody has any rights,” Warren said. “Just because you live in a small area does not mean you don’t have rights. Everything I believe about the Constitution and what it means to be a citizen of the USA is being shot down.”
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