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FreeUSHGA
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 Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: PDMC Mythology of the Airframe - A Plague of Paragliders |
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Rick Masters has some controversial information on paragliding at:
http://www.cometclones.com/mythology.htm
Mythology of the Airframe - A Plague of Paragliders
My biggest fear in hang gliding is the fear of falling. |
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wild_high_mark
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: Re: PDMC Mythology of the Airframe - A Plague of Paraglider |
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I was doing a little history digging last night.
Here is something from me two years ago.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=71949#71949
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Just for the record, I do NOT view paragliding as a valid form of flight. It does not have the same "margin of error" as any other form of flight.
You can quote me on that and I will back you up. |
So as far as I can see Rick and I are on the same page. |
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Windlord
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Launching into the abyss within forces you cannot see and without an airframe, it's just a matter of time.
Rick's writing should be required reading. "So ya wanna paraglide?"
To add PG to an HG association, just increases liability three fold. How ridiculous. |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: "So ya wanna paraglide?" |
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| Windlord wrote: |
| To add PG to an HG association, just increases liability three fold. How ridiculous. |
Mark Forbes has figured the profit to the corporation what each new membership is worth. To the penny..
Some memberships are worth a couple dollars more... some less.. '30 some dollars that could all be spent on google stalking' was the gist of it.. but he can't tell you how many paragliding pilots fall out of the sky each year.
So many secrets @ USHPA CORPORATION.. |
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: Re: "So ya wanna paraglide?" |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
Mark Forbes has figured the profit to the corporation what each new membership is worth. To the penny.. but he can't tell you how many paragliding pilots fall out of the sky each year.
So many secrets @ USHPA CORPORATION.. |
Secrets and deception.
Here he is asking me to supply him with some (non-existent) legal paper so I can control my "local" flying sites.
But when I ask for a copy of that same paperwork, that "should" have been submitted by the Torrey Pines Glider-port, he stops responding to me.
He was just trying to waste my time and money.
Tue Nov 11, 2008
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=97247#97247
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| mgforbes wrote: |
Ok...that's fine. For each launch site that you own, or have legally-delegated
control over, you can assert that authority. If you're going to enforce a P-4
requirement for Black Cap, then I'd want to see a legal document that gives
you exclusive control over flight operations at the site, along with sole
responsibility for the actions of pilots and any consequences. Speaking for
myself, I would RUN, not walk, away from any such contract.  
MGF |
So where is David Jebb's form that he submitted for Torrey Pines?
Did you run from that one too?
I'd like to see a copy, if you don't mind. That would save me a lot of work. |
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: Rick roll |
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Now here Rick is starting to make some sense, yet still the distractors babble.
The Israel government "thinks" pilot error is responsible for the current rash of paragliding accidents. Now hang gliding gets lumped in with paragliding and we both get more rules.......and it doesn't solve the problem so we get more rules......
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20459
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| They believe the accident was due to a lack of training and "old" equipment - which is not the case. The reaction will be likely be to ban older but perfectly safe hang gliders along with paragliders of the same age, to place greater restrictions on hang glider pilots for no apparent reason, |
Why are the distractors......distracting? |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Rick roll |
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| wild_high_mark wrote: |
Why are the distractors......distracting? |
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Mess with peoples' belief systems and become the enemy.
As people rationalize their actions they become invested in the process and things contrary to those rationalizations become targets.
Flying a wing that can collapse for various reasons takes a lot of rationalization. |
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FreeUSHGA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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USHPA members should be ashamed...
Rick Masters wrote:
.. go to Wikipedia and look up Paragliding, under the Safety heading you will find
"Given that equipment failure of properly certified paragliding equipment can be considered a non-issue, it is accurate to say that paragliding can be a very safe sport."
Your ranks of potential new hang glider pilots read that garbage and go straight to paragliding school.
Historically, equipment testing was practiced by the first German glider pilots and later by the USHGMA. "Equipment failure" was defined as a wing being unable to take certain positive and negative loads mandated by the USHGA. I was involved in some of that certification. It was hard-fought. It was important. A lot of good pilots died to bring us hang glider pilots to that point -- that point where we truly gained the freedom to choose pilot competence or pilot error. Yet today, most of the USHPA members are riding around on wings that cannot take any negative G at all.
Let me repeat that. Today, most of the USHPA members are riding around on wings that cannot take any negative G at all.
You let that happen, you hang glider pilots of today.
You threw it away, your entire hang gliding organization, and let paragliding become your Big Sis.
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Rick Masters
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20007&start=60 |
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wild_high_mark
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| FreeUSHGA wrote: |
You threw it away, your entire hang gliding organization, and let paragliding become your Big Sis.
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Rick Masters |
It looks like Davis is actually helping him today.
Did Davis see the light or is this just the setup before the smack-down? |
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